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Plastic Psycho
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:45:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:CCP needs to support individuals who want to go big
I'm thinking of a nukebomb at the price of 1 billion
100.000 HP damager on a 40k radius We have mini-nukes. In a number of differnt forms. What you're asking for is a Maxi-nuke! 
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:06:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:William Walker wrote:The Tsar bomba had a yield of 50 to 58 megatons of TNT. It was originally constructed to have 100 megatons of TNT. That would have had an estimated destruction radius of 35km.
We already have bombs and they inflict enough damage to small targets and have a radius of 15km. The scale of EVE ships is large already, and creating "mega-bombs" or bombs already bigger than the ones we have now would be an imbalance.
CCP is not here to empower your crusade against nullsec, King Harry Forever of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 realms, leader of the anti-nullsec crusade. sure we need it, and the game needs it as well... at the moment the focus is too much on alliances and groups... there are many soloplayers who are able to build up big amount of ISK on their own, but the superweapon to use it is missing if I'm able to build an amount of ISK comparable to a corp, then I want to have a weapon to fight that corp the only balance needs to be the price for the weapon, that can be discussed What you want is a bomb that will not only nuke your opponents' fleet, but will nuke your own fleet as well.
Somehow, I don't think anyone launching those will be very welcome... anywhere. The only real purpose for it would be comedy. It certainly would not serve the purpose you fantisize it might. |

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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:14:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If the trend for bombers moved along the same lines, maybe we would see a BS-Sized heavy bomber ship someday. Would it have large bombs or multiple launchers?
Multiple launchers, please. The ability to ripple-fire bombs would make me smile. Like a shark. Especially if you can load one of each type of bomb... 
Of course, that would make Heavy Bombers seriously OP unless you put some crippling gimps on it, too.
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:31:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:flakeys wrote:Harry Forever wrote:CCP needs to support individuals who want to go big
I'm thinking of a nukebomb at the price of 1 billion
100.000 HP damager on a 40k radius I want an individual nuker too . Costs 100 B but you can nuke one individual into biomass with it and i got just the guy in mind i want to try it on ... can you guess who harry ? Come on , just one try ... I was suggesting the "Azerothonian Death Beam" a while back in F&I, a weapon that would delete your eve account and start a new WoW account for you immediately after. But you guys didn't like the idea :( The WoW account was a bit too much. Biomass? Sure. But WoW...? That's just evil.
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:30:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Harry Forever wrote:William Walker wrote:The Tsar bomba had a yield of 50 to 58 megatons of TNT. It was originally constructed to have 100 megatons of TNT. That would have had an estimated destruction radius of 35km.
We already have bombs and they inflict enough damage to small targets and have a radius of 15km. The scale of EVE ships is large already, and creating "mega-bombs" or bombs already bigger than the ones we have now would be an imbalance.
CCP is not here to empower your crusade against nullsec, King Harry Forever of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 realms, leader of the anti-nullsec crusade. by the way, the game is already out of balance, what makes it out of balances are those big alliances especially the CFC, you can not fight them anymore with groups and conventional mesures they suck up all of the playerbase and assimilate them into those mindless creatures, compareable to the Borg in Star Trek they are against individualism and therefore need to be fought by individuals thats why we need terror weapons with devastating impact Malcanis' first law. It's always the older, richer and more experienced players who profit most from any changes that were implemented to help newbies. Even if these weapons were included into the game, exactly like you envision them- the CFC could use them as well, and would do so to a devastating effect. you did read it but you don't get it, they could not use the weapon against an individual like me, I'm the enemy here, its pointless and irrelevant if they have it, its your big fleet thinking where you guys continuosly get stuck... like I said, they sucked out your personality already, you are the swarm... but with that bomb I will bring freedome to you again... trust me So - you're saying "To heck with what might happen to everyone else, so long as I get my hilariously dangerous toy* to play with?" Is that right? Gee... What a team player!
* Kinda reminds me an old Sov-Block (Cold War, not Nul-Space) hand grenade designed to defeat armor - The lethal blast radius was greater than the distance you could throw it. Fun, hey?  |

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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:43:00 -
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Seetesh wrote:Nukes in space ? Seriously, you realise they are pretty useless in a space environment and only work planet side. Humor mode: OFF
Not true. There are a number of mechanisms by which a nuclear weapon can do you hurt even in space. ~ EMP burst. ~ Ionizing radioation - Gamma- & X-Rays, and highly energetic particles. ~ Violently expanding plasma ball (from weapon materials, converted into plasma). ~ Radiated thermal pulse (as opposed to conducted thermal pulse).
Sure, the AoE is MUCH reduced - you still wouldn't want to be near one when it goes off.
Humor Mode: ON
Besides, it makes all the environmentalists angry when we nuke the Space-Environment.  |

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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:45:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote: if you try a bit harder you sure will understand it, I explained it a few times now.... there is some deeper meaning behind it, however it feels like you just scratch the surface
No there isn't. It's just you, and all about you. |

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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:52:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:does anyone at all consider harry forever a powerful personality
come now don't be shy Maybe if he had this suicide weapon he's asking for..? Naaaaah. |

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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:56:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Thaman Arnuad wrote:Harry Forever wrote:William Walker wrote:The Tsar bomba had a yield of 50 to 58 megatons of TNT. It was originally constructed to have 100 megatons of TNT. That would have had an estimated destruction radius of 35km.
We already have bombs and they inflict enough damage to small targets and have a radius of 15km. The scale of EVE ships is large already, and creating "mega-bombs" or bombs already bigger than the ones we have now would be an imbalance.
CCP is not here to empower your crusade against nullsec, King Harry Forever of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 realms, leader of the anti-nullsec crusade. sure we need it, and the game needs it as well... at the moment the focus is too much on alliances and groups... there are many soloplayers who are able to build up big amount of ISK on their own, but the superweapon to use it is missing if I'm able to build an amount of ISK comparable to a corp, then I want to have a weapon to fight that corp the only balance needs to be the price for the weapon, that can be discussed I believe this is why we have mercs. If you have money, they will come. all scammers, I want to bomb them too So... You against the universe, eh? Good luck on your quest, don Quixote.
I hear the Jove have space windmills... |

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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:03:00 -
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Joepopo wrote:Harry Forever wrote: all scammers, I want to bomb them too
Ooh harry-pea. Is there a story with a boo boo to tell about it? Anyway if such a bomb existed I am sure goonswarm could afford to detonate one every day on jita undock until said bomb is removes from the game And every other trade hub, as well. Not to mention some ISBoxers we could name would be getting a visit from the Bomb-o-Doom.
Which would be absolutely side-splittingly hilarious.
Hell with it - I'm changing my vote: CCP - Make this! The laughter and tears will be epic! |
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:08:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Wasn't there a small squad capable nuclear bomb developed during the cold war? I cant seem to find the video I watched on it... but it had a launch range of something like just under a half mile...but an explosion range higher than its launch range... so pretty much any squad who used it would kill themselves..
That was the M-388, which was launched from the M28 and M29 launchers, commonly known as the Davy Crockett or nuclear bazooka. Depends on which version of the warhead you were using. There was a fixed-yield version which was nominally safe - and a variable-yield version where if you used the higher-end setting, you'd best be firing it over a pretty big hill, or you'd be all kinds of sorry. |

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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:40:00 -
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Leafar Nightfall wrote: What I think would be fun is self-destructing the ship with AoE damage or some other kind of suicide maneuver, but that would make suicide ganking even easier (unless prohibited in high sec)
Space jalopies.
Make a mechanism whereby ships must undergo periodic upkeep at some nominal price, or be subject to degradation: Misfiring weapons, reduced beam damage, weakend shlelds, stuttering MWDs - up to and including random ship-destroying power-plant detonations. Such detonations would be AoE, and would subject the owner to secuirty status hits as if one had cooked off a smart bomb. If your jalopy blows up at Jita Undock, you might find yourself immediately exiled to Nul for your sloppy maintenance habits. :D
Then Harry can Leroy his space jalopy into a large fleet, and hope for the best (worst) to happen.  |

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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:14:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:The real question here really is, if Harry and Ace would meet each other in the forums, fall in love and procreate, what would happen?
discuss please Result. |

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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:49:00 -
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Jove Death wrote:I would prefer they just brought the mines back  low sec and null only ofc. Dont want to upset to many people Spread them all over the belts and sit in station and wait for the kills to pop up  Necesitating a minesweeper function - maybe modules that fit Destroyers or Frigates. Then you'll have folks ganking the minesweepers, and folks trying to defend the minesweepers from gankers... There'll be so much combat in the belts that no mining will take place, and James & The New Order will win!
I like it.  |

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Posted - 2013.08.09 22:43:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Effect One wrote:1. AoE doomsday weapons were removed; 2. While not a physicist, I'm fairly certain the calibre of weaponry in this universe, combined with the speeds at which impacts occur, produce far more energy - whether kinetic, explosive or otherwise - than a conventional nuclear weapon does; and 3. You're an idiot. oh, so you got stuck at the name "mini nukes"... nice pettifogging, sure you are sarching eagerly for spelling mistakes as well, people like you get hold up too much with the details, where people like me are moving forward and are getting things done guess what I will be doing now? bloooo...? see ya! Look, if *you're* going to use an utterly misleading label, why *shouldn't* people call you on it?
Really now... Do try to be reasonable in your unreason. |

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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:23:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I'm wondering just how big Harry's block list is these days? At the rate he's going he'll have 50% of posters blocked within 3 months. I think he misses the point though. The reason these are public forums and not private messages is we can all see and contribute. The fact that he can't see any of our posts affects us to the sum of zero, while making him look even more ignorant. High and Mighty Harry, missing the point..? Say it ain't so! |

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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:32:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote: Still wow this idea is so short-sighted and bad I'd love to see it implemented. After all, 100 CFC pilots, 100 billion-bombs and one hisec system? Hilarity waiting to happen.
I just want to see him mega-nuke himself. Which will be fatally hilarious. 
Oh, and "BillionBomb..?" Genius. Utterly brilliant. 
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:19:00 -
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Actually, they're arguing in their own interests. If we had BillionBombs, very soon the game would be a wasteland, and their fun would stop.
Call it enlightened self-interest; the best kind of self-interest. |

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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:38:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Actually, they're arguing in their own interests. If we had BillionBombs, very soon the game would be a wasteland, and their fun would stop.
Call it enlightened self-interest; the best kind of self-interest. Hey, ummmm, random forum person who is in no way affiliated with the CFC, how do you know so much about the CFC and what is in their interests? Just out of curiosity. What makes you so sure they wouldn't like to just destroy everything and blow everyone up, but in the best interest of the game and other players, are advocating against changes that would allow them to do just that? Are you new here, or something? |

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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:20:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Are you new here, or something? I see what you're saying and I think you may be on to something. You are proposing that rather than just win the game outright by dominating everything to the point that CCP literally has to "nerf Goons", the CFC would like to preserve the current game balance as it is both incredibly favorable to them and being the "status quo", it requires a critical mass of ideas/people/events to get changed. I think what you are saying is that some drastic addition to the game like a "mini-nuke" or some sort of doomsday device would force their hand. They would either have to use such a device and thus make their dominance far more apparent, or they'd have to risk the possibility of their enemies using it against them first in order to preserve the CFC's image as "the good guys". This would be especially dangerous since a "doomsday" device might actually be able to turn the tide of an engagement, and if used strategically, could even turn the tide of an entire war. Yes, I think you are correct. It IS in the best interest of the CFC to argue against any sort of "doomsday" device. The only thing that is confusing me is how that is in some way an "enlightened" point of view. Enlightened self-interest is self-interest with a deeper understanding of cause and effect. It in no way means that the exercise of such self interest is 'enlightened' in a spiritual manner, or even in an honorable manner, merely that its use reflects a deeper understanding that allows the individual or oganization to make seemingly non-intuitive choices that bring them greater benefit them in the longer run; than those of seemingly more obvious and pragmatic choices which have immediate gain, but cause long-term loss.
CFC are not nihilists. The BillionBomb is only really useful to nihilists; therefore it is in CFC's interests to oppose such a tool, despite the hilarity of its potential.
IOW, it's TOO big a hammer. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:24:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:I'm happy that the mini nukes spread so much fear in new eden
I'm not scared somebody will use this weapon against me, guess why
this bomb is there to break up those big groups that have become cancer to this game
PS: I updated the radius of the bomb to 100k The above statement underlines your utter failure: It won't break up the groups that have become a "cancer" (your label, not mine); It will be a positive BOON to them. Nihilists would run rampant, and destroy not only the things you loathe, but the things you love as well.
What you propose is so hilariously dangerous that even Goons & CFC - the very groups most likely to be able to afford to actually use them - agree that the BillionBomb is a threat to the game.
In short: You'd ruin the game for everyone. |

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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:09:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:Joepopo wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote: something crazy like acquiring your IP and DoSing you at an important point in time is what he would call "cheating"
We are also working on IRL DOS attacks where we ring at your door the moment we jump on your ratting supercapital. Evil always win. Thank you for your post :) I am now terrified of ordering in Pizza, in case it comes with an angry bee fleet attached. Brilliant.

Can I order yellow jackets on my deep-dish pizza?
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